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Are You Obedient?

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The Church and The Illusion

I used to be a youth leader in a number of churches. I led bible and topic discussions for many years for kids ages 12-18.  I eventually left being a leader when it became apparent I really couldn’t be effective.  The reason I couldn’t be effective is that I wanted to kids to really think about things and come to their own conclusions.  The church leadership said they wanted the same thing but I came to understand they were actually not interested in that.  What they were interested in was giving the kids the illusion they had thought about things and come to their own conclusions.  

How did I know this? Because the goal of the church was to have them believe and adhere to a very specific set of beliefs.  The kids were not free to go where their minds led them so they were given the illusion of freedom by allowing debate and questions within a very limited and constricted box of acceptable opinions, just as the napkin drawing above illustrates.  It is still that way in most every church in America and most religions around the world.  I don’t like it because it does a grave disservice to the kids and to the integrity of the church or other institution that is foisting that same illusion on its youth.

Politics of the Unacceptable

Politics in America and many other countries is pretty much the same.  A perfect example in America right now is the accusation many reactionary right wing partisans through about that President Obama is a communist, a socialist and a Muslim.  Why are those effective tactics to use in falsely portraying Obama? Because those who propagate those tactics know that those 3 identities are outside the acceptable arena of debate in America. It is not acceptable to consider communism and socialism in political debate, they are wrong, dead, bad, evil, atheist, murderous, failed, morally perverse, anti-american and treasonous to consider those ideas. And it certainly is not acceptable to many Americans at this point in time to contemplate a President being of the Muslim faith.  The reactionaries know this and they know that if they paint the President with these brushes, they can bully people into thinking he is wholly unacceptable.  

And guess what? Reactionaries on the far left of the Democratic party do the same thing to Romney. Paint him with the brush of big business, of capital, of investments, of wall street, of incredible wealth and you paint him to be unacceptable. Why? Because considering big business as acceptable is unacceptable. People are bullied by that faction to not consider business and corporations as being valuable or good in any way. Some evangelicals and atheists paint Romney with the Mormon brush, wholly unacceptable.  Others paint him with the ‘he hates all women’ brush, wholly unacceptable.

Thinking About What We Can’t Think About

In many cases it’s good you don’t think about it. It’s good it’s off the table for debate. We don’t want to consider the idea of slavery. We don’t want to consider the idea of genocide. We don’t want to consider the idea of…of what?  What else is off the table for good reasons?

Even more importantly for our future, what is off the table because we have been told it is unacceptable but perhaps it’s not?

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Drawing by Marty Coleman

Quote by Noam Chomsky, 1928 – not dead yet, American linguist and writer among many other things.

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Persuasion vs Force – Persuasion #5

Can you find the secret, subliminal, self-advertisement in the napkin today?  Let me know in the comments if you find it.

Persuasion vs Force - Persuasion #5

I am not a pacifist. I believe there are times to use force.  But there are definitely times not to as well.  Trying to persuade a people of something is not a good time to be violent.  You may get them to submit, no doubt. But you won’t get them to convert to the idea you want them to.  

Force is not always violence. Force can sometimes be verbal or material coercion based on shame, guilt, ignorance, lies.  You take away enough of a person’s material sustenance and they will submit to your idea. But you won’t get them to truly believe it, only persuasion can do that.  You can manipulate all you want. It can even look like victory for a while. But it will not succeed in the long term.  

Persuasion, true honest persuasion, is the result of freedom to argue, debate, talk, reason, ponder, listen, walk away, reject, agree and disagree.  And being free from the threat of violence is the only way to do that effectively.

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Drawing by Marty Coleman, who put a secret self-advertising message in the napkin today.

Quote by Anonymous, who always puts secrets in my drawings and I don’t even know it.

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Rhetoric #2 – Quarrels and Poetry

 

Someone you know NEEDS this coffee cup
We give ourselves a gentler, more thoughtful talk when arguing within our brain.  We can do that with others, even in political debates.  If we start with this in mind then we can stick with a conversation, an argument, long enough to move out of the antagonism and towards a thoughtful approach.

What should be asked of our public communicators, in politics and in the media, is to choose words (and images), not only for their shock and attention-getting value, but for their precision and their honesty.  Of course that means those communicators have to be honest and precise in their thinking and self-evaluation, not something they often want to do if doing so threatens their position, power or wealth.  

That is why you don’t see talking heads pulling back from their excesses, on both sides.  They are playing a game, a game of ratings.advertisers, money and influence. They know they are helping to create a toxic dialog, but they are scared of losing what they have, and in some cases they are greedy for more, so they can’t or won’t pull back, even though they know their words are hurtful and denigrating to all of society, not just their political opponents.

I wish it were otherwise, and it can be, if you decide that listening to it is being complicit in spreading that toxicity and decide to not listen.

Drawing and commentary by Marty Coleman of The Napkin Dad Daily

Quote by William Butler Yeats, 1865-1939, Irish poet

>Heat and Truth

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Day #2 of Heat Week at The Napkin Dad Daily.  It’s 97ºƒ (108º heat index) / 37ºc (42.2º) Here in Tulsa, Oklahoma (USA) again today.

“It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it.”  


Have you ever heard that line spoken to you? I have.  They didn’t like my way of talking and that kept them from being able to hear what I was saying. In most cases it was my fault. I was saying things in a way that obscured rather than clarified.  It’s like a graphic design advertisement that is so wild and over the top that you can’t read any of the words on it.  That isn’t a good strategy if you are trying to communicate.


The same goes for arguments regarding ‘truth’. The overheated blowhards who rant and rave against whatever their flavor of the week is aren’t doing their cause any favors. The hot air they put out is entertainment for their minions but it doesn’t build a foundation of intelligent and thoughtful argument. It’s simply the scorching wind of heat without light.


The antidote is to be cool and thoughtful in your response. It may not seem to be the most entertaining and often doesn’t have that satisfying adrenalin rush that an angry rant has, but in the long run it is the most effective way to put your argument forward.

Drawing and commentary by Marty Coleman of The Napkin Dad Daily


Quote by William Penn, 1644-1718, founder of the state of Pennsylvania

>I Learned Long Ago Never

>A vintage napkin from 2002, put in my daughters’ lunches.

This quote is often used by politicians and radio/ TV talk show hosts to explain why they don’t like arguing. This is usually said right before they start to argue.

Drawing and two sentences passing for a commentary by Marty Coleman of The Napkin Dad Daily.

Quote by George Bernard Shaw, 1856-1950, Irish playright
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